@ Borec

Carissimo Borec, ho visto che hai riproposto in approvazione una presupposta versione latina ("Carmen de Warsaw") della Warszawianka. Questa, a suo tempo, era stata già cassata in quanto si tratta evidentemente di una "traduzione" fatta da qualcuno con il tool automatico di Google, o comunque da qualcuno che non conosce neppure l'abc della lingua latina, una vera e propria accozzaglia di parole messe a caso mischiate con parole e frasi in inglese. Ti pregherei quindi di non riproporla più, perché tanto non verrà mai approvata.

Colgo l'occasione per dirti anche che la versione persiana che avevi messo in approvazione è stata eliminata, ma stavolta -semplicemente- perché era già presente nella pagina, ed inviata da tu stesso. Vi ho però integrato il video della canzone.

Grazie ancora e a risentirci!

@ Riccardo Venturi
sono molto dispiaciuto per aver ripetutamente postato testi sbagliati, Sir Ricardo…
Cercherò di controllare il testo prima di pubblicarlo su questa pagina.
Grazie per i suoi consigli…!

@ Borec

E' la prima volta che vengo chiamato "Sir", non sapevo che la regina Elisabetta mi avesse nominato baronetto...certo che poteva per lo meno dirmelo e mi sarei vestito ammodino :-)

Grazie ancora Lord Borec e a presto!

@ Riccardo Venturi

Dear Riccardo,

The title of the 1918 Finnish version of Waszavianka (VARŠAVJANKA) has been translated into plain Finnish as Varsovan Laulu. This is basically all right, because that's what it is in Finnish. However, there's a but: people who know the song refer to it as VARŠAVJANKA according to the Polish original, whereas Varsovan laulu usually refers to Moonshine or Rectified spirit smuggled to Finland mainly from Estonia during the prohibition (1919 - 1932). Therefore, I would be inclined to have Varsovan Laulu deleted in this context.

@ Stanislava

Carissima Stanislava, come puoi vedere ho integrato completamente quello che hai scritto nella sezione relativa, compreso ovviamente il testo parziale della versione da te trascritto. Per il resto, credo appunto che tu abbia già detto tutto quel che c'è da dire. Sono ben cosciente, nel caso di pagine come questa o di altre, che le vecchie canzoni rivoluzionarie, di lotta e di libertà (citi anche l' “Internazionale”, che ebbe origine durante la Comune di Parigi...) hanno fatto una pessima fine nei paesi dell'ex “socialismo reale”, ed è inevitabile. Quello che hai scritto fotografa alla perfezione quel che è stato e quel che è adesso; e c'è poco o nulla da fare, tutto qui. Grazie ancora, carissima.

@ Juha Rämö

Dear Juha, I have deleted the “alcoholic” title, not without a certain regret in my heart. Now that I know that I had given a version of the Varšavjanka the title of “Moonshine”, I feel very amused deep in my roots. Well, there is no Irish version of the song in this page but, in case I should find one, I could give it the title of “Poitín”...

Now I ask you a service. There's another Finnish version which seems to have originated in the US. It was recorded 1916 by the Finnish-American artist Juho Koskelo for “Työväen-Opisto” in Smithville, Minnesota. I have listened to the version and checked if it matches one of the versions already included in the site, but I got the impression that it is totally different. Of course, the recording is very old (and it is always touching to listen to something recorded 105 years ago...), and I may be wrong. The lyrics aren't to be found anywhere. Could you kindly help us solve this mystery...?

Thank you in advance, of course with a generous cup of moonshine...!

@ Riccardo Venturi

Dear Riccardo,

I've been trying to put my finger on the lyrics of Juho Koskelo's version ever since it was posted here a month ago. Here are the facts:
- I'm not able to reproduce them by listening. The quality of this recording from YouTube is just not good enough to do that.
- You're right that they are different from the 3 other Finnish versions above. The only thing I can tell you is that the first line reads "Vainoovat viimat nyt yllämme viuhuu" (close to Santtu Piri's 1908 version).
- Written lyrics of this version seem to be quite impossible to find, but I'll keep searching.
- The song was not recorded at Columbia Studios which refers to Columbia Pictures but at Columbia Records. Neither was it recorded on May 24, 1916 but on the last day of 1916 as shown by this database record
- The original title of this version is Warshavjanken which looks like a Swedish translation of the Polish one.

@ entrambi

bravi

brava Stanislava,

e anche Tu, venerando Riccardo (cuor di leon Corleon)

forse finalmente le cose si metterano un poquito piu in chiaro

io ormai ho perso tutta la mi pazienza mu

Ecco un link a un PDF del Canzoniere Rivoluzionario Ucraino con la Varšavjanka nel testo ucraino :3

Finally I've found the correct text to finnish version (1916), so plz add to 1g4 ;)

Lyrics:
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@ Boreč

Dear Boreč,

Congratulations for having been able to find the lyrics of the rare Finnish version 5 of Warszavianka. As you may have noticed, I have also been trying to find them ever since you posted the audio link of this version on September 9. On Monday this week, I finally got hold of a book where they are printed (Ilpo Saunio & Timo Tuovinen: Edestä aattehen - suomalaisia työväenlauluja 1890 - 1938). However, the lyrics in thet book are slightly different from the ones you posted, i.e. there are two different words. Therefore, I would very much like to find out the source of the lyrics you have contributed.

Yours sincerely,

Juha Rämö

@Juha Rämö
Good morning Juha :)
Yes, this finnish varszavianka text was posted in the comments section of a Finnish blog.
I listened to the audio and checked the lyrics to make sure they were correct, so I think this is the official one :3
However, I was not aware of the existence of songbook "suomalaisia työväenlauluja" with this text...

@Juha Rämö

here this page :)

3w. Tofani şoriş - Una versione curda soranî interpretata da Kalle Ateshi
3w. Tofani şoriş - A Soranî Kurdish version performed by Kalle Ateshi



Tofani şoriş, performed by Kalle Ateshi (Kale Ateşi), is a Kurdish song originating from Syria and probably focused on Kurdish resistance. Kurdish in normally written in Arabic (Soranî) character; “Soranî” means “Syrian”. The lyrics are included in the video. [RV]

@ Boreč and Juha Rämö

“Puolan vallankumouslaulu Varshavjanka ilmestyi ensimmäisen kerran suomeksi käännettynä Sosialidemokraattien Työväen Kalenterissa v. 1909 nimellä Taistoihin tuimiin. Laulun sanat ja sävel poikkeavat nykyisin käytössä olevista.”

“The Polish revolutionary song Varshavjanka first appeared in Finnish translated as “Taistoihin tuimiin” in the 'Social-Democrat Workers' Calendary' in 1909. The song's lyrics and melody are different from those currently in use.”

So in the source page linked by Boreč. Consistently therewith, 1g4 is no “Finnish-American version from 1916”, but an entirely Finnish version from 1909. Santtu Piri's 1908 version is only 1 year older. So I have changed all the 1g4 section. Sadly enough, the user who provided information is unknown. The lyrics are different, but in Juho Koskelo's American recording from 1916 the melody is the same as the classic... (continuer)

@ Boreč

Dear Boreč,

Thank you very much for the link. I was quite surprised that this kind of content exists in a blog owned by Uusi Suomi which is considered a conservative right-wing medium. Well, you never know...

Anyway, the person who posted the lyrics writes in her message that the source of the lyrics is the same book I mentioned (Saunio - Tuovinen: Edestä aattehen, Helsinki 1978). The small differences I detected when comparing the two texts must, therefore, be typing mistakes. So, if I have your permission, I will post the corrected lyrics and ask the Administrator to replace the existing ones with them. Please let me know.

JR

@ Juha Rämö

Of course you can. The corrected lyrics will be included immediately. Kiitos!

Dear Admin,

Here are the corrected lyrics to replace the existing ones at 1g4.

Juha Rämö

VAINOOVAT VIIMAT / WARSHAVJANKEN

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@ Riccardo Venturi

Dear Riccardo,

Thank you so much for the invaluable link to Työväen Kalenteri 1909.

It seems that the Finnish section of Warszawianka requires quite a lot of rewriting and restructuring. I will e-mail you soon about that.

@ Juha Rämö

I already had the suspicion that the whole Finnish section of this page needs rewriting and restructuring on the basis of Saunio-Tuovinen's work. We often rely on web sources which may be scant and/or inaccurate; however, a printed work like Saunio-Tuovinen's must be the result of a lifetime's study. I am waiting for your e-mail. This is a neverending work in neverending progress.

Thank you!

Sorry for so many comments, but I wanna share the archive with us…
Here are the vids of mysterious versions that I have archived
One is sung in Italian, the other in Chinese, but no information about these two...

@ Borec

Dear Borec, we really appreciate your archive. Please don't be worried about the quantity of comments: this website works as a free space and a forum, and all comments are parts of it. So please feel free to write here whatever you want, in any language. As for your latest comment, as you can see, I have constructed an entirely new page for the Italian song and included the Chinese song video into one of the Chinese sections. I have also left a couple of comments on your YT archive, of which I am now a new member. I expect you give me an official welcome with a red carpet and cheerleaders (I'm kidding huh :-PPP). Well, I may do without the red carpet, but please don't forget the cheerleaders. Thank you!

Here's an audio link to the Swedish feminist version of the song.

Audio link to the song performed by Stockholms anarkafeministkör.

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1g4. La versione finno-americana degli IWW (1918/1920)
1g4. The Finnish-American IWW version from 1918/1920

This section is wide, i.e., it includes no lyrics or audio links. It has been constructed only to reflect the history of the Finnish versions of Warszawianka with historical info. Please feel free to add lyrics and/or videos, if any.
La presente sezione è vuota, vale a dire non contiene né testi né audiovisuali. È stata costruita esclusivamente per riflettere la storia delle versioni finlandesi della Warszawianka, con informazioni storiche. Non esitate ad aggiungere testi e/o video, se disponibili. [RV]

The Finnish Wobblies, or members of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), or tuplajuulaiset (double-u'ers) as they called themselves, have a Warszawianka of their own. Titled Varsovalainen (The Varsovian) and with the first verse reading »Vihaiset vihurit vastaamme ärjyy« (Angry... (continuer)

about [1β. La versione turca del gruppo musicale Kutup Yıldızı ("Stella Polare")]
This song is in Azerbaijani, not Turkish...
please fix it (￣∇￣)

Good morning dear Boreč. I'm sorry, but Kutup Yıldızı is a music group from Turkey and they sing and write in good Turkey Turkish. I really don't know who told you that the song is in "Azerbaijani". Btw, Azerbaijani (or Azeri) is a Turkic language quite similar to Turkey Turkish. It can be easily recognized from the use of special letters ("q", "ə"...) which are not used in the Turkey Turkish spelling. See you!

Good afternoon, Ricardo :)
Yes, I too thought the song was sung in Turkish from the tlyrics, but when I played it to Azerbaijanis and Russians, they replied that it was in Azerbaijani, not Turkish.
They said it has a Turkish accent, but it's in Azerbaijani.
And [DonQuijote82 - 2011/10/15 - 14:41] is same in Azerbaijani…
I’m not familiar with the Azerbaijani language and don’t know where this lyrics came from, but perhaps they were written to Turkish orthography...

Good evening, most beloved Boreč!

My knowledge of the (Turkey) Turkish language is not that deep, but I can tell when the lyrics of a song match what is really sung. Well, I've listened well to the song and I can tell you that it is sung in Turkey Turkish and singing matches perfectly the written lyrics. Of course, there might be some kind of “northern” accent, i.e closer to Azerbaijani, and I repeat that Turkey Turkish and Azerbaijani are very similar; but the song is sung and written in Turkey Turkish. Anyway, you can't simply transpose anything written in Turkey Turkish or Azerbaijani into each other, these languages are very close but aren't the same language you can indifferently write with different spelling systems (as in Serbian).

As for Azerbaijanis, like many other people from that linguistic area, they tend to label anything uttered in a Turkic language as a form of Azerbaijani.... (continuer)